Who would win in a fight?

[Maiyrhia]

Frozen's Elsa versus our very own Nemos. Discuss!

... Yeah, I'm bored.

[Kairo]

Well... Elsa clearly has a higher control die, she built that palace after all. hmm...

[JaccusRed]

Elsa has literally unlimited power and varying control from brilliant to bad she would destroy him

[Kairo]

Unlimited power, sure. An attention span to match? I doubt it. Nemos could probably out-think her eventually, though at his current level of power, yeah she would probably freeze him solid. Though, that said. They both have significant resistance to ice magic... So, I'm not sure. How does CoP resistance to their own element work? That might be the clincher.

[darky]

CoP are immune to their own element. just outright immune. Jadyr could stand out in a lightning storm with a metal pole in the air and be perfectly fine (also managed to withstand a otherwise fatal attack at the energy hub without so much as noticing it) so it is the same with Nemos and ice and ice magic

[Mankoi]

Hmm... well we've seen Elsa almost stab someone with an icicle. That's less an elemental attack and more of a sharp things are sharp type of attack. She can also thaw a frozen out lake in a hurry. Not sure what Nemos can do, but if I were in Elsa's shoes, I'd create a tall ice structure, move the fight up there, and then dispel the bit Nemos was standing on, let him plummet.

[Kairo]

Well if it gets to a close fight, she might stab him, in which case he would have an icicle in him and not be able to do much about it, other than seal the wound with ice. As for dispelling ice, Elsa probably has Nemos beat... if she can move it up to the tall structure that is. Now we've been assuming these two have been fighting like puppets on strings, with no real emotion. Elsa can rage with the best of them, but so can Nemos.

[Maiyrhia]

Aye, he's immune to cold. Being stabbed with an icicle or twenty, though... not so much. Making him go splat would be another viable tactic. Alternatively, crush him under a ton or three of ice.

She also has a lot more power - she made an eternal winter by *accident*. My vote's on Elsa.

[Kairo]

Ok, now we have a potentially difficult question, Motivation. Sure she has plenty of power to splat him. Question is, would she? I think she'd hesitate, she's afraid of her powers and what they can do, especially when it comes to harming people. As for Nemos, I'm not sure what extent he'd go to.

[thalslaw]

If Nemos found himself in a combat with an ice mage, his approach would simply be to attack her mind and strategy.
He'd use proxies. << Wanna build a snowman? >> And there'd be a lot of patient figuring out what she values.
To address the obvious power difference, he'd use tactics to annoy and exhaust her. His approach can be summed up as 'snowflake snowflake, make the glacier tumble'.
Another thing, he'd enrage her and drive her to further commit her energy where it's wasted.

Though he may put a gambit in place to harm her subjects, it would be a bluff. He's more heroic than that.

This is independent of what time period Nemos too -- he might end up incredibly badass, but he'll act as though he's loathe to win unless all his parameters have been filled.

As far as how much will he has to achieve those goals, I'll draw your attention to the fact that he turned his best friend into a nuke to save the world. (pre-forum adventures)

edit -- a continuation:

Given that he's trying to make her panic or be enraged, if he achieves that at any stage she'll be wasting a lot of effort chasing snowmen.
If possible, she'd be at the target of any ritual the world can sustain too. He'd willingly eliminate ice magic from the world for a few moments, using canon specific rituals, in order to capture.

Another thing is that he'd be much more careful about his reserves of food in a frozen wasteland. He can outsurvive her.

Every wound he can sustain and survive he'd be able to treat.

In fact, there's nothing preventing him from studying cryofreezing, putting himself in a block and simply outliving her (for a given value of live).

[Maiyrhia]

Good luck casting Kendra's Disruption on Elsa -- not going to happen, Nemos! She'd have more than enough time to splatter him first...

[thalslaw]

Yeah, it's a matter of running away and being clever at her. In which case, he's likely to win.

[Mankoi]

I think, as is so often the case, this needs a better definition of fight. Are they trying to take out one another, or, say, get to a powerful object before the other one? In the former case, slower, more thoughtful tactics may work. In the latter case, they'd have to brawl it out, because if one party runs away, the other wins by default.

In any case, I'd be wary of pissing Elsa off, actually. Your biggest advantage is that Elsa will probably want to stop short of using lethal force... unless you make her mad. If she's not using lethal force, you're better off. If she is, there's not a lot to stop her from impaling you from below by growing ice spikes out of the ground as soon as she sees you. If you're hiding from her, her best move is to go back to her kingdom, keep it safe through an army of snow monsters and, again, kill you on sight.

Location is also a factor here. Obviously she can't go back to her kingdom if she doesn't have one, but, likewise, you can't threaten her subjects if she doesn't have one.

[thalslaw]

Any sane person would be wary of pissing Elsa off. Thing is, they're exactly the kind of persons to deescalate the conflict.
And there's nothing preventing Nemos from growing ice spikes from out of the ground either.

[Mankoi]

True. In that regards, I'd say you can win, as long as you can convince her that you mean her no harm, and you're sure you can resolve things in a reasonable manner... and then impale her while her guard is down.

[JaccusRed]

I don't know I thought your power only made things cold, so you could make Ice out of the water in the air but the shape would probably snow or hail or something really random.

[Kairo]

Making things cold, but also manipulation of ice, I think. It would make sense, otherwise his power wouldn't be very... powerful.

[JaccusRed]

well it is in that freezing someone to death isn't even difficult for him but I get your point. To be honest I thought it made for some interesting attacks where you fling spear shaped water and then release it so it travels on its own momentum and then nemos freezes it mid air before it reaches it's target. it sounded dramatic.

[Kairo]

Yeah, we had some ideas like that Trouble is, the water doesn't hold its shape once my magic isn't acting on it. Hence why combining spells has been something to work on.

[Maiyrhia]

Yeah, putting on admin hat to clarify: No, he cannot freeze water vapour out of the air! He can make cold is what he can do, and he can affect existing ice. He cannot conjure it out of nowhere!! And no, you cannot combine magic at all. You've come nearly kinda sorta almost-ish but to your characters, combining magic is currently wayyy beyond you.

[JaccusRed]

What if it's misty?

[Maiyrhia]

Then KAIRO could condense lots of water.

Think of the Child of Ice as the Child of Cold. He has less control over solid ice than he does his ability to make cold happen. (Note: I may have mistaken this in the past -- but if so, it was a mistake and I apologise. Nemos's control over solid ice is actually quite limited. He can freeze things really well though!)

[JaccusRed]

Oh I get that my point is that snow is just mist thats frozen theory so he could drop it's temperature to do something to it I assume

[Kairo]

I could do lots with mist I'm also aware all attempts we've made to combine elements so far have been unsuccessful, doesn't mean we're going to stop trying. So, theoretically, to do the things Elsa can do it would take both me and Nemos, at a higher power level, at a time when we can combine our magic.

[Maiyrhia]

Water vapour -> water = Kairo
Water -> ice = Nemos
Water -> water vapour = Kairo
Ice -> water = Lemiah

Clear? Magic makes odd distinctions. Magic ≠ science.